Indians For Guns

yesterday, there was this incident where a person got killed in broad day light on busy road in metro town.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 209439.cms

I was amazed to see this video that how cold has our self conscious become, ppl were passing by seeing a person getting in front of them.

I have 1 question if any one of you were there, armed with your licensed weapon, what would you have done.

Horrible & Sad at the state of affairs in India. Is there anything like Rule of the Land ? Or has India turned an anarchy ?

i donot know what i would have done in such a situation...save the person or run away from fear of after effects?we all are responsible,not only those seen on the surveilleance camera.am i right?

dr.jayakumar wrote:am i right?

Sir the shear fact that more than 20 ppl looked at this thread and only 2 ppl bothered to reply on it, shows the level courage and conscious we have alive.

When ppl dont even bother on virtual world, what will they do in real world

Atleast you bothered to look and reply to it.

Unfortunately, this type of situation is not restricted to India. There have been numerous stories of this happening elsewhere in the world.
What can be done about it? I really don't know.
What would I have done if I had witnessed the situation? Once again I don't know.
Situations like this could be fraught with danger for the good samaritan. Is it possible to fight off four assailants? What if it is a gang related situation? You could be confronted with more individuals who might be standing around just to help out their friends.


Some things to think about (granted it probably doesn't apply to this situation).
Should a license/permit holder intervene in a violent situation?
This topic comes up quite often in the various forums dealing with concealed carry in the US. I'm more familiar with US laws dealing with the use of deadly force. However, I'm sure there must be some commonality in the laws. Please note that my comments and observation are from the US point of view. The points made are necessarily simplistic as this is a topic that one could spend a lot of time on.


Possible courses of action
Throughout the years, all religions have advised their adherents to "help thy fellow man" but regardless of religion, basic human decency suggests that you do so anyway. So you see someone being attacked or in danger of losing their life. You have a licence, should you draw down on the bad guy? Threaten him? Shoot him? Keep out of it and just call the cops. Should armed intervention be OK at any time? Or is it only OK if someone's life is in danger.
What are the consequences of your actions?

A few years ago, a CCW holder in a large US city saw someone attack a woman and he chased the perpetrator down and was holding him at gunpoint. Another CCW holder driving by saw this and drew down on the first CCW holder as he thought that was the bad guy. They both got into trouble for using/threatening deadly force when it was not warranted. In the US, in most states, using deadly force is authorized when you or another are in fear of grevious bodily harm or death. Being ignorant of the facts of the situation is not an excuse.

In the state that I live in, as a civilian, to be justified in using deadly force, generally four basic points must be satisfied:
1. You must be a reluctant participant. You can't get drunk and pick a fight with someone and when you find that you have bitten off more than you can chew - you can't pull your gun to settle the matter.
2. You have a duty to retreat. You must remove yourself from the situation, if possible. However, some states have "stand your ground" laws that remove this provision.
3. No lesser force will suffice. Could you have used your can of mace to subdue your assailant or your baseball bat?
4. You must be in fear of grevious bodily harm or death.

If I am not justified in using my gun, I would be sent to jail, have to pay restitution and I would also be guilty of a felony. This would forever preclude me from owning or coming into contact with firearms again.

Consequences:
You misinterpret a situation and misidentify an attacker; he turns out to be another license holder, undercover cop, etc. You hold him at gun point or worse, you shoot him. What is going to happen to you? Fines? Jail time? Loss of license? All three? Any of the three are bad news and the last one could be a death sentence. In the Indian context, if you lose your license, you will not be armed if you are attacked or if your house is broken into and you will not be able to defend your wife and children.


My view:
The reason I have a permit to carry is so I can defend myself and my loved ones, period. Having a permit to carry does NOT make me a "Junior G-Man" or a part-time cop. It does NOT confer any Law enforcement role on me. It does NOT give me a "license to kill".
I repeat, there is one reason and one reason only that I have it; to defend myself and my loved ones. If I misuse it and it is taken away from me, I won't be able to defend myself or (even worse) my family in a public place. US law allows me to keep a weapon at home even if I don't have a permit (provided I am not a felon). In India if you lose your licence, you will have to surrender your weapon/s. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

So what should I do when I witness a crime? Get on my cell and call the cops.

What should I do if I witness someone in imminent danger of losing their life? Assume that it is not possible to defuse the situation without resorting to violence. If I am alone, I might intervene, depending on the situation. If I have family members with me, I would get them together and try to leave the scene while calling the cops. Is this heartless, cowardly or callous? Maybe.... but I must not lose sight of the fact that my first duty is to my family. It is quite possible that the perpetrator/s have accomplises and they could take me out while I am concentrating on the perp. Now they have my gun and have my family members at their mercy. Will I regret that decision to leave? It is quite likely that I will, however, my family members and I will be unharmed.

There were so many people and the attackers were only three in numbers. Shame to see not a single man had the courage to confront these barbarians.

sa_ali wrote:Sir the shear fact that more than 20 ppl looked at this thread and only 2 ppl bothered to reply on it, shows the level courage and conscious we have alive.

The video opens with an intolerably looooooong ad in my pc, and i gave up in the middle. the fact that live murder footage was sponsored by deodrant desensitised (pun unintended) the whole issue for me anyway.

Please stop being touchy about people not responding to your thread. Do you write a letter to the editor displaying righteous indignation every time you open up a newspaper and read a disturbing story?

xl_target wrote: but I must not lose sight of the fact that my first duty is to my family.

I agree with this 100%, My question is not in the context that a gun in my hand makes me a super hero, but of simple human conscious.
I really dont know the legal aspect of it, but what i can foresee is that lot of legal trouble. , if one would have fired their weapon