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It is a sad saga in the north east frontier of India, which boastfully houses a rich animal life. A Rhino has been killed, and eaten up, by the "proud" poachers/people.

Another example of human cruelty on innocent wild animal is observed on Saturday night in Assam, North-East India. The Great One-horned Rhinoceros, which is considered as one of the rarest mammal on Earth also a pride of the state, is also not spare from human brutality.

According to a report, a full grown Rhino was killed on Saturday night by poachers near the Kaziranga National Park in the Gopaljaroni area of Sonitpur east forest division.

Sometimes the Rhinos stray outside the national park in the adjacent region. The poachers took advantage of such a situation yesterday and killed it. After killing the Rhino they not only cut out the horn but also ate the huge animal. The local villagers informed police, but by the time they reached, only few bones of dung of the Rhino was left. IT is still not clear whether the poachers took away the flesh and bones, or it is done by some local culprits just for meat.

Though Kairanaga National Park has done well in recent past in increasing the Rhino population, yet it is failing to secure the animal in the border region regions of the park. The poaching is still a regular event in the region killing Rhinos and various animals every year.

It is to be noted that Kaziranga, a world heritage site, is home to around 2000 Rhino specimens, which accounts close to 70% of the total One-Horned Rhino population in the world in wild. Rhino Poaching is mainly done for the use of the horn in Traditional Chinese Medicine. This is the fourth rhino poaching incident in the year in Kaziranga.

Source: http://relivearth.com/blog/archives/905
Declaration of interest: Preventing animal cruelty.

Tribals have been killing and eating Rhinos, Elephants, Giraffes, Cows, Goats, Pigs and what nots from time immemorial.. Histroy does not have any known record of Tribals having hunted themselves and their quarry to extinction. It's the non tribals who have encroached on their hunting grounds with roads, railways, mines, industries etc which has led to the decline and devastation of the natural habitat of wildlife. This has led us to the sorry state we find ourselves in. Do we feel morally superior to these tribals by trying to enforce our moral standards for the misdeeds that we bestow upon them under the umbrella of development?

that is good point Jonah, what Indian media is good for is brain washing, learned well from their American masters.

Industrialization is a real and big problem, agricultural land used for urban construction and industrial development, agricultural land used for cultivation of industrial crops (castor seed) - food prices rising, soon India will have to import food from China.

Tribals killed a rino yeah what a bad guys, industrialist polluted rivers destroyed natural habitat, good guys growing economy.

Environment has a limit, you cant return back once you crossed it. Land for agriculture has a limit, natural resources has a limit. And limit is a limit, you just cant do anythign about it. So, let's blame tribals for all those destructions which is done.

if anyone want to get clear picture of where this country is heading, I would recommend to read some articles on System Dynamics, maybe even some original articles from father of System Dynamics J. Forrester. All what he wrote 40 yearrs ago is happening now in exact details.

jonahpach wrote:Tribals have been killing and eating Rhinos, Elephants, Giraffes, Cows, Goats, Pigs and what nots from time immemorial.. Histroy does not have any known record of Tribals having hunted themselves and their quarry to extinction. It's the non tribals who have encroached on their hunting grounds with roads, railways, mines, industries etc which has led to the decline and devastation of the natural habitat of wildlife. This has led us to the sorry state we find ourselves in. Do we feel morally superior to these tribals by trying to enforce our moral standards for the misdeeds that we bestow upon them under the umbrella of development?

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SRSwamy, its a well known fact that animals are being killed by commercial interests in India
The Full grown tigress in Hyderabad Zoo in 2000-Any culprit to date?
and ad nauseum, No tigers left in Ranthambore or one of those parks? Sorry if I get the names wrong
So, you polishing upto the usual 'sensastional' yellow rag special ?

Protecting stray, rabid dogs, cats and such fauna is more important right now okay ?

The Bengal Tiger, Gir Lion, Indian Rhino and other near extinct and endangered animals and birds will be taken care of in the next century..........if they are still around that is....

M.

srswamy wrote:It is a sad saga in the north east frontier of India, which boastfully houses a rich animal life. A Rhino has been killed, and eaten up, by the "proud" poachers/people.

Another example of human cruelty on innocent wild animal is observed on Saturday night in Assam, North-East India. The Great One-horned Rhinoceros, which is considered as one of the rarest mammal on Earth also a pride of the state, is also not spare from human brutality.

.......is to be noted that Kaziranga, a world heritage site, is home to around 2000 Rhino specimens, which accounts close to 70% of the total One-Horned Rhino population in the world in wild. Rhino Poaching is mainly done for the use of the horn in Traditional Chinese Medicine. This is the fourth rhino poaching incident in the year in Kaziranga.

Source: http://relivearth.com/blog/archives/905
Declaration of interest: Preventing animal cruelty.

eljefe wrote:

jonahpach wrote:Tribals have been killing and eating Rhinos, Elephants, Giraffes, Cows, Goats, Pigs and what nots from time immemorial.. Histroy does not have any known record of Tribals having hunted themselves and their quarry to extinction. It's the non tribals who have encroached on their hunting grounds with roads, railways, mines, industries etc which has led to the decline and devastation of the natural habitat of wildlife. This has led us to the sorry state we find ourselves in. Do we feel morally superior to these tribals by trying to enforce our moral standards for the misdeeds that we bestow upon them under the umbrella of development?

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SRSwamy, its a well known fact that animals are being killed by commercial interests in India
The Full grown tigress in Hyderabad Zoo in 2000-Any culprit to date? and ad nauseum, No tigers left in Ranthambore or one of those parks? Sorry if I get the names wrong
So, you polishing upto the usual 'sensastional' yellow rag special ?

Alright, alright. So, why take it offensive and use this dead horse emoticon? Did anyone accuse a tribe here? Or did anyone accuse the native? If you read the word "local culprits" as tribal people, even then, the article clearly says it is unclear. No prejudiced comments ever meant, intended. I just re-posted an article which I came across, to spread the word. I had also mentioned the declaration of interest, especially. Please note the cause here. So, why such a reception? In fact, the above two comments from Jonahpach and eljefe seem to favour groupism, categorizing me into a category where I do not belong to, for mere sharing of a news???

@jonah -- Neither did I claim myself as superior to the tribes, nor did I degrade them. Or, have I? The logic escapes me, where did I involve the tribal people in the picture? In fact, I had highlighted the point the locals were the first ones to inform the police, not the forest officials. It would be better, if you make it clear.

With no offense or harm meant to anyone, with no intention to de-mean anyone, let me quote my points here:

Yes, in India, animals are being killed for commercial interests. So? In India, ALMOST EVERYTHING is done for COMMERCIAL interest. I think it applies for the rest of the world too.
Let me consider your point, that tribal people are really innocent. The truth is, knowingly or un-knowingly, they contribute actively towards poaching. Immediate argument from the advocates would be "loss of crops/livestock, agony, economic condition, blah, blah". The truth is, THEY DO contribute towards poaching, actively. That is a reason, I have always strongly voiced my opinion in involving the tribal people as a part of any conservation program.

Before you frown, the tribes who are the native inhabitants of the forest lands are being "exploited" by the traders, poachers and the middlemen, for whatever reason.

I had voiced my opinion several times, in other few threads, and even quoted examples of how the "Eco tourism in India and Africa" and "Masai Mara Lion Conservation" works when the tribal people are properly educated and involved into the conservation with a positive approach. I am not the one who holds anything against the tribal people and their ways of life. In fact, I am all in for positively utilizing them for the conservation efforts.

Gentlemen, the intent of sharing this article was only to bring an incident to the notice of a large group. So, I humbly request you, not to steal the focus/intent of the topic by posting "reserved" comments. Is it too much to ask for??


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Subal das wrote:that is good point Jonah, what Indian media is good for is brain washing, learned well from their American masters.

While I agree with you to a great extent, most of such incidents are not reported by the Indian Media first. It is either done through the websites of the people or organizations for wildlife conservation. For your kind information, this particular article source is not just Indian Media, but a much bigger group.

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fantumfan2003 wrote:Protecting stray, rabid dogs, cats and such fauna is more important right now okay ?
The Bengal Tiger, Gir Lion, Indian Rhino and other near extinct and endangered animals and birds will be taken care of in the next century..........if they are still around that is....
M.

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fantumfan2003 wrote:Protecting stray, rabid dogs, cats and such fauna is more important right now okay ?

The Bengal Tiger, Gir Lion, Indian Rhino and other near extinct and endangered animals and birds will be taken care of in the next century..........if they are still around that is....

M.

srswamy wrote:It is a sad saga in the north east frontier of India, which boastfully houses a rich animal life. A Rhino has been killed, and eaten up, by the "proud" poachers/people.

Another example of human cruelty on innocent wild animal is observed on Saturday night in Assam, North-East India. The Great One-horned Rhinoceros, which is considered as one of the rarest mammal on Earth also a pride of the state, is also not spare from human brutality.

.......is to be noted that Kaziranga, a world heritage site, is home to around 2000 Rhino specimens, which accounts close to 70% of the total One-Horned Rhino population in the world in wild. Rhino Poaching is mainly done for the use of the horn in Traditional Chinese Medicine. This is the fourth rhino poaching incident in the year in Kaziranga.

Source: http://relivearth.com/blog/archives/905
Declaration of interest: Preventing animal cruelty.

10+ Old chap, very well said.

sawmiji please reread your opening sentence..

It is a sad saga in the north east frontier of India, which boastfully houses a rich animal life. A Rhino has been killed, and eaten up, by the "proud" poachers/people.

It misled me. Anyway, I guess my reply and that of other members helped you and maybe someone else to really read between the lines of our daily rags.

protecting endangered animals is good idea in general, but it cant make a valid single issue for me, taken out of contest, of the whole system. that would be simple diversion from real problems and prevent us from examining of what is the real problems are. when house collapsed why one should regret about his coffee machine been broken. Industrialization and resulting population growth, resulting human encroaching, reduction of natural habitat is a real problem. Can it be controlled - NO. Because human greed is main driving force of modern society. Where it is all heading is a critical question: more industrialization ---> more population --> less resources and food -- at some critical point industrialization will be pointless and not profitable. So where all those population will go, they will eat each other, and everything else, including roots, insects ....

More developed countries like Russia 10 years been busy transforming their economies to the new realities , I have seen in Russia few years back huge chemical complex, biggest in Asia in fact, 25 km long 3-4 km wide area packed tightly with chemical industrial plants --- EMPTY !!! almost completely, no work, no people only dogs barking. Everything been completely functional 15 years ago. from business point of view what a catastrophe, from wide life prospective what a great achievement, because this complex was spreading pollution in the whole north hemisphere.

Gentlemen!

It is true that a Rhino has been poached in the Northern Boundry of Kaziranga bordering Sonitpur District and its horn taken away.As for the meat, it was taken away by illegal/doutful immigrants who have managed to encroach and settle themselves due to political patronage on the banks of the Brahmaputra along Kaziranga National Park.So it would be wrong to blame on indigenious people for the incident.

Media, specially Western Media has a habit of printing sensation about North East India without getting into bottom of things.Till this day, media holds NE India in fascination the same way the Brits held Africa during the Dark Continent days.

Fantumfan2003 - Well said.We have got our priorities all messed up.

Nitro Express

...human greed is main driving force of modern society.

I'm not convinced that greed is a modern development!

Environment has a limit, you cant return back once you crossed it. Land for agriculture has a limit, natural resources has a limit. And limit is a limit, you just cant do anythign about it.

This is a huge concern, because each species of life, in all of varieties, have developed successful ways of coping with their environments. This genetic diversity provides the underpinning for society and has for 1000s of years: The Incas had over 20 varieties of potatoes, but when a fungus hit the potato monoculture of Ireland in the 1830s, millions died as a result of the lack of genetic diversity.

India itself is a monument to genetic diversity: Consider the "Green Revolution."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

Each species that is lost can constitute a terrible loss, for there's no knowing whether that animal or plant has, over the eons of evolution, developed a protein that could have been used to cure some debilitating human malady.

Yet, there's also a side of the coin to what Subal says regarding one culture raping the environment and profiting from it, and then expecting that no one else continue their ancient ways of life. In the USA and Canada, some tribes of Native Americans exercise special rights for hunting certain species, like whales, or have special fishing privileges, which recognize a tribal way of life that also has been endangered by so-called "advanced civilization."

That is a reason, I have always strongly voiced my opinion in involving the tribal people as a part of any conservation program.

Before you frown, the tribes who are the native inhabitants of the forest lands are being "exploited" by the traders, poachers and the middlemen, for whatever reason.

Yes, behind everything, there is usually some sort of economic gain, all the way from the Ancients deforesting the Mediterranean basin up unto this present problem of wildlife and the tribal way of life. As srswamy notes, there are solutions. Can we manage to stem the seeking of modern economic advantage in time to save both the genetic bank of evolutionary success and the cultural bank of man's knowledge and experience, in all of its diversity? I fervently hope so.

jonahpach wrote:Tribals have been killing and eating Rhinos, Elephants, Giraffes, Cows, Goats, Pigs and what nots from time immemorial.. Histroy does not have any known record of Tribals having hunted themselves and their quarry to extinction. It's the non tribals who have encroached on their hunting grounds with roads, railways, mines, industries etc which has led to the decline and devastation of the natural habitat of wildlife. This has led us to the sorry state we find ourselves in. Do we feel morally superior to these tribals by trying to enforce our moral standards for the misdeeds that we bestow upon them under the umbrella of development?

i agree with you, its my personal reading too..if we calculate figures, extinction and endangered came into picture in the past few decades , the tribals would hunt for food the rajahs and british hunted for fun...rajahs and europeans have boasted of 200 tigers hunted by one person, there is no question of tribals doing such 'stunts' .

i had been to bandhavgarh sanctuary and interacted with the Baiga tribals, poor guys have been stopped from possessing their traditional bow and arrow since with that they would hunt tiger ! what bull shitttt !!!

i should say these babus should first get numbers, the time when they had not set foot in the jungle and after they set foot in the jungle...it is those urban buffons who have encroached and enjoyed sensless hunts and poaching.

I have seen 'tiger God' temples there, they worshipped the tiger from centuries..there was no question of they killing the tiger, if we go to the coastal part, the locals dont eat fish during the breeding season, its a religious taboo...its us ..who eat anything anytime and then cause the scarcity.

i had similiar experince in Jhabua with the bhils, accused of stealing 'wood' from the jungles..

It is a sad saga in the north east frontier of India, which boastfully houses a rich animal life. A Rhino has been killed, and eaten up, by the "proud" poachers/people.

That was your prefix

proud poachers/people ??


Will revert to my Wren and Martin to see how I should understand your statement, not the media hype.
We have some freedom to post here, and in the interest of a healthy debate, a point (or many) can be made. A persecution complex-is your paranoia...Groupism? sure, we're gun lovers, supporters. And you are here. Plain logic, without espousing syllogisms, would convey that you are a part of a group of gun lovers.
Dead horse icon -sign of offense? should we ask IFG to please remove this icon? in the interest of political correctness.
Damn, when Airguns are outlawed, can the dead horse icons be far behind?

Tribals poach? sure , does the sun rise from the East? its life and normal-for the hunter,forager.Until we come along and want them to pose for 'visit Bandhavgarh month' or 'breathtaking orissa' or some such travesty of the real condition-take away their heritage, take away natural sources, Nike and Cell phones are a way of life as is reservation and so much more ad nauseum? sure, they must and will indulge in traditional/heritage activities.Some cretin sitting in an ac office in Delhi decides; take away their bows and arrows-sure shots way to top poaching.Makes a lot of sense to me...

humbly request you, not to steal the focus/intent of the topic by posting "reserved" comments

Steal? I (We? you too Jonah? ) was/were possibly trying to get it back on track, inspite of your sensational headline prefix...
Wild Animals in India get killed -humans, lorries, trains- take your pick.
To a protein starved populace, meat is meat.PETA comes no where in the pic.
While this thread ,and many others of its ilk will take centerstage time and agin, whats being put across is groupism and persecution complex ? subliminal
So, whats reserved comments?
What is a guideline for comments ?
for SRswamy's posts?
for post about poaching?
Right, All rise, the honable post (and poster) on the latest Rhino's death now has center stage...

exactly my thoughts regrading media hipe too. Is it picture real? we dont know. is this case actually took place we dont know. We are living in culture of bullshit. Many of such very well reputed and very much international organizations just money laundering outfits. These kind of organizations coming up with their pity agenda of protecting something, but in fact just laundering drug money.