Indians For Guns

many districts of up and bihar are exceptional due to the fact that hunting blue bull there is legal and the administration from time to time invites licenced arms holders who are interested and issues game permits to them as a crop protection measure. for eg basti district of u.p

The point being..
Given that AI permits are a PITA, and getting clearances would be an issue. Moreover PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) would hate you.. and most Indians are scared of shooting Nilgai due to Gai even though the two are not even really related..how does it help.
Moreover are you from Basti? If so are you inviting us over for a shoot?
From what little I have garnered both Bluebull and Wild Boar have been classified as vermin... that is neither here nor there. What is the point of my post?
None what so ever.

MoA wrote:The point being..
Given that AI permits are a PITA, and getting clearances would be an issue. Moreover PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) would hate you.. and most Indians are scared of shooting Nilgai due to Gai even though the two are not even really related..how does it help.
Moreover are you from Basti? If so are you inviting us over for a shoot?
From what little I have garnered both Bluebull and Wild Boar have been classified as vermin... that is neither here nor there. What is the point of my post?
None what so ever.

If I remember correctly, you said somewhere that you were travelling. So, was this post a result of I-am-too-far-away-from-my-guns syndrome??

Regards

m24 wrote:
If I remember correctly, you said somewhere that you were travelling. So, was this post a result of I-am-too-far-away-from-my-guns syndrome??

Regards

Actually this week am at home. Preparing for a BP shoot this weekend, that is being hampered somewhat by the fact that I dont have bullets available.

You, no ammo???

Regards

Blue Bull / Neelgai is a common antelope found in the North (India). In many places it does cause a significant amount of crop damage.
It is also a big antelope. Infact the largest antelope in the Indian subcontinent. Though the largest in size the horns are comparatively much smaller. eg. an 8 inch Neelgai horn would be considered a very good trophy. Perhaps that is how the antelope got "Gai" in its name. The name itself is a blessing in disguise for the species. Where most other wild animals (in India) have suffered due to hunting,poaching and habitat distruction . The Neelgai on the other hand has faired reasonably well. The male can grow into a fine, large, muscular fellow and can be quite a tough animal to bag. He can easily jump over 6 feet plus fences and can break inot a gallop which can put a horse to shame.
I have read and heard about a number of accidents that have taken place on Neelgai hunts. At times on the national TV news as well.
A word of caution here. Care must be taken when hunting these animals. Unlike hunting in forests , hunting on farms (I assume) would be very different. One must consider human habitation and people working in the fields around the place where a hunt is planned.
You surely need a heavy rifle for the antelope. Anything above a .315 should be good. But a rifle bullet can travel far . So be very careful when taking the shots.
"BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY".

Well if it is legal, I havent seen anyone post any pics of the hunt and the game. If anyone of you do bag one of these fine beasts please do post pics.
/S/

You surely need a heavy rifle for the antelope. Anything above a .315 should be good.

.315 is no good for a large animal, instead it causes unnecessary torture and suffering to the animal. I recall an incident that happened longtime back in our village, when a bull had gone berserk for some reason and had killed one person. Villagers shot repeatedly at the bull with .315 rifles, but the animal was not killed. The animal went in a canal and stayed overnight to ease pain. The next morning when villagers saw animal standing in canal, they called the police and the animal was shifted to the veterinary hospital, were it died due to spread of infections in wounds caused by bullets.

But a rifle bullet can travel far . So be very careful when taking the shots.

This is extremely important. Not only the rifle bullet can travel far but even if the animal is hit, the bullet can exit from the other end of animal causing injuries or death to anybody present in the path of bullet. What about using 12 bore shotgun slugs?

goodboy_mentor wrote:

.315 is no good for a large animal, instead it causes unnecessary torture and suffering to the animal.

What about using 12 bore shotgun slugs?

Shot placement is very important. You may pump in a number of shots in the wrong places with rifle and only land up injuring the animal, which would later die a painful death. A well placed shot in any of the vital organs is very important. A heart and lung shot would be a safe bet.

Yes a well placed 12 bore (slugs) at close range would be as effective.

m24 wrote:You, no ammo???

Regards

I didnt say no ammo. I said no bullets. Specifically I do not have .458 caliber 475 grain soft lead bullets without a gas check that I need for loading up Black Powder loads for the .45/70. Smokeless ammo I have.

prashantsingh wrote:Shot placement is very important. You may pump in a number of shots in the wrong places with rifle and only land up injuring the animal, which would later die a painful death. A well placed shot in any of the vital organs is very important. A heart and lung shot would be a safe bet.

Yes a well placed 12 bore (slugs) at close range would be as effective.

Shot placement is indeed everything.

its started raining so permission is not being issued they shall surely call for in october during the arhar crop shall surely post pics and any friend interested is surely invited. the .22 lr even indian one is more than eneough for the hunting and is usually preferred by us due to low pricing ,sound and good accuracy its not the bullet but the placement that matters. sometimes just for sheer pleasure i have used the 30 06 but then also its the placment if u get the shot on the "bund"(chest cavity) or the neck or the shoulder u get good results.

-- Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:58 pm --

one more thing 315 is the most bogus rifle dont know about the foriegn make but indian is terrible.

-- Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:59 pm --

.12 bore LG is far more better for game

"Ethically", I would never use a .22 rifle for an antelope the size of a Neelgai.

mahboob wrote:its started raining so permission is not being issued they shall surely call for in october during the arhar crop shall surely post pics and any friend interested is surely invited. the .22 lr even indian one is more than eneough for the hunting and is usually preferred by us due to low pricing ,sound and good accuracy its not the bullet but the placement that matters. sometimes just for sheer pleasure i have used the 30 06 but then also its the placment if u get the shot on the "bund"(chest cavity) or the neck or the shoulder u get good results.

-- Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:58 pm --

one more thing 315 is the most bogus rifle dont know about the foriegn make but indian is terrible.

-- Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:59 pm --

.12 bore LG is far more better for game

Shot placement and adequate calibre making enough energy are both very important. .22LR on a BlueBull might kill if shot from close range and headshots only,but it is very unethical to use it.

LG are banned in India and possessing one is illegal.

Best-
Vikram

In shotguns rifled slugs are better than smooth balls.As for LG,its banned but buck shot isn't the best option for such game.
Regards,
Rohan

Neelgai hunting is has been permitted in many villages for a longtime.

In Rajasthan, one needs to apply to the teshil/tehsildar for the paperwork/application. The people are so conservative that not only eating but also shooting at it is considered against the religious beliefs and no such shooter can be respected or tolerated in the village for shooting 'gai'. Ironically the same villagers have no problem with a non hindu-jain-sikh shooting them and benifit these villagers by protecting their crops.