Support Abhinav Bindra!

[nagarifle]

some people are extramily bad parents, who let their kids down all the time, they do not answer civil, do not responds to mails. instead of opening doors and welcoming you they shut the door on you,

parents like that who needs NRAI

[hvj1]

but if there are no parents (good or bad) what will happen to the child? For a young novice shooter, where does he go?

[amit888_2000]

Friends, no controversy, ..............actually its just an openion, may be some agree, some dont, it's fine..........we are here to support right deed........but this is not......., as we all know the fact, gagan narang also an ace rifle shooter, who has scored 3-4 times 600/600........In recent national's at Jalander in 2009.....I was my self there.......he too compete, came 2nd......so what, he is not standing here to get a wild card for the common wealth........one of our team mates from the national squad questioned him, what he will do next..........he politely said, i need to work more.......and that's it....

what i believe is 99% ur efforts, and 1% destiny.......some think vice-versa......that's entirely there openion......

[dev]

is d email is real!

Please try to speak grown up talk. Teen speak is pretty avoidable okay mate.


Dev

[Vikram]

For what they are worth,my opinions.I may differ with some of the posts but not the posters.


1.NRAI is a professional body.It is not a surrogate parent to the sport or sports persons.As a professional body,it's functioning has been reflective of everything else in our system. As we have discussed earlier, it has let down shooting sports and gun owners,again and again.Corruption,bureaucracy,nepotism,politics,lack of transparency,inertia- you name it.What little is achieved is despite them, not because of them.The driving force is the unceasing ambition and hard-work of sports persons and individuals like HVJ1 himself. Not because of the individuals who regard their position in the NRAI as another trophy in their collection.

2. Amit&Visho- I agree with your sentiments about law being equally applicable to all.If he did come for the trials and they got postponed (is there a way to verify this?), why is it mandatory to coerce him into attending them all the way from Germany again? Especially when they can offer nothing to his training and equipment expenses?Understand it's his choice to go to Germany and train by himself(which seemed to have helped).But, will not a bit of commonsense on part of NRAI help ease the issue?

3. Amit- there is no guarantee that a champion will triumph every time.However it is highly probable.Would you agree? Re Abhinav retiring- why should he retire because he won the Olympic gold once?Why not twice or thrice or try attempting it? It is an entirely individual choice, would you agree?Stress-tension? Countless athletes won multiple golds in different Olympics.Stress is a minor concern.

JMHOs.

Best-
Vikram

[amit888_2000]

people pls remember, trials r giving a fair & equal chance to all who work hard.....
giving threats that he will retire is not good for sports....., if he like to retire, than why, media, and why NRAI......still NRAI will be the only platform........outside India there r no issues, where people r true to atleast them selves.......
now abt winning again, good he has the caliber ....and he can do it....best of luck....then go for trials.....
Few days back abhinav's father was interviewed, and he was telecasted saying "I am asking him to retire & he should by now"...

few days back our honourable sports minister, already decided hockey team issue by giving there dues....now that was something, against which system should change......not this........???

now stress----we go out of india, as they train u mentaly, not teach u how to shoot....so stress is a big issue atleast with shooting........

[biking3819]

I would just like to draw the attention of our esteemed members on IFG, please look at the NRAI in TOTALITY, for example just like one of our parents, our parents have also plus and minus points, but eventually we look at them as a whole. NRAI, like any other organisation has its plus points and negative points. No parent likes their child to point out their mistakes, But good parents do, after some time, they do accept and try to change. But then as we all know some dont. The NRAI too has been evolving, and evolving for the better.
By pointing out the good points in the system, does not mean that we agree with the entire system. But certainly as shooter, who has had very good experiences with the NRAI, I or any member of the shooting fraternity, may not agree with all your criticism. Particularly, if you have not been part of it as most of us have for well over two decades.
Friends, please, I only request you to have an open mind and listen to both sides of the argument.

HVJ1 thats a very nice way to make things put in the positive path...
admire the way we think ...
regards sanjiv

[Vikram]

people pls remember, trials r giving a fair & equal chance to all who work hard.....
giving threats that he will retire is not good for sports....., if he like to retire, than why, media, and why NRAI......still NRAI will be the only platform........outside India there r no issues, where people r true to atleast them selves.......
now abt winning again, good he has the caliber ....and he can do it....best of luck....then go for trials.....
Few days back abhinav's father was interviewed, and he was telecasted saying "I am asking him to retire & he should by now"...

few days back our honourable sports minister, already decided hockey team issue by giving there dues....now that was something, against which system should change......not this........???

now stress----we go out of india, as they train u mentaly, not teach u how to shoot....so stress is a big issue atleast with shooting........

If NRAI is the problem with its mismanagement? I agree that trials should be about giving an equal chance to all and test everyone fairly.But, what if they postponed it once he was there? Why media and why NRAI? Why not? If an Olympic gold medallist in the prime of his sporting career is forced to consider retiring prematurely because of the petty attitudes and mismanagement, why not make it public?Why not provide adequate information/coverage about the situation to the public about how we treat our sporting heroes?If he is at wrong, that will come out too.

His father saying he should retire because of all the hassles created by NRAI is very different from your suggestion that he should retire because of the stress of doing an encore,aren't they? However,it is upto the individual to decide.

Have you stopped shooting,Amit,because of stress? I sincerely hope you will not even think about it for a second.Then,why assume that Bhindra cannot?He seemed to have done admirably so far? The only problem seems to be from within the house.

Respectfully-
Vikram

[nagarifle]

what parents take 21k for membership in to their family and provide zero?

[amit888_2000]

if abhinav thinks he can over come his stress, then why not trials ?....that is the only question we been arguing......

Good, our honourable minister steps again....abhinav got what he want.....relieved....

if u think changing the date was a mismanagement....then let me correct u here.....the date changes because.....of the range availability.......not mismanagement..........it is us who forcing NRAI to change the venue from Pune to delhi.......

NRAI is already in a big trouble----from shooters (that's regular), from abhinav, from DRI 8 CR issue, now from court for term issue-------god know what going to happen......I am only fearing, that shooting should not be effected......

yes vikram...I will leave shooting, if i ever cannot come over my stress, my asking direct entry thru wild card, without trials..........

anyways, good Mr Bindra happy shoot..........try try untill u succeed...........))))cheers!!!!

[hvj1]

what parents take 21k for membership in to their family and provide zero?

Dear Naga,
I confess, that I am an unabashed fan of your incredible sense of humour and style of writing, succinct, to the point and extremely witty. I plan to come to Nagaland to shake your hand buddy.
Best Regards

-- Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:15 am --

Shukriya Biking

[biking3819]

what parents take 21k for membership in to their family and provide zero?

Naga...man you are...well!!
HVJ ...really u better shake hands with Naga soon

[nagarifle]

what parents take 21k for membership in to their family and provide zero?

Dear Naga,
I confess, that I am an unabashed fan of your incredible sense of humour and style of writing, succinct, to the point and extremely witty. I plan to come to Nagaland to shake your hand buddy.
Best Regards

-- Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:15 am --

Shukriya Biking

have one for me.

[m24]

what parents take 21k for membership in to their family and provide zero?

Dear Naga,
I confess, that I am an unabashed fan of your incredible sense of humour and style of writing, succinct, to the point and extremely witty. I plan to come to Nagaland to shake your hand buddy.
Best Regards

hvj1, that's naga humour, in her highness's land in freezing temperature in between sips of earl grey and bits of crumpets. Very efficient and subtle. The moment he lands in Nagaland, he's back to purple undies, pink tights.

And as for NRAI, people may not like what I am going to say, but it has to be said. NRAI is full of members(Not the governing body, but the actual members) who cannot talk among themselves and stand against the system if the system is going down the drain. Shooters are afraid to raise a collective voice because they feel they'll lose their opportunities. I am sorry, my sports shooter friends for saying this, but it is a fact. You all have individual voices, but not a single collective one. Nobody is willing to collect all the voices and work for a greater good. If Bindra is raising a ruckus today, he's raising for himself and not for the whole sports shooting fraternity. But the one's before Bindra, who feel cheated and feel left, what's stopping them from getting together, look at the problems with their parents(as per hvj1), and help in getting things fine tuned?? You guys are the one's who know the ins and outs of the system and who better to set things straight!!

Regards

[vishosingh]

NRAI has its flaws ...... agreed. maybe they do nothing for the shooting community.....ok. but if all top shooters refuse to go for trails prescribed by not the NRAI but the sports ministry, then how do we chose our national team.
i personally feel the right approach for bindra to take would have been requesting the nrai to host his trial maybe at his personal range under the current system during the days he was here, rather than asking for complete exemption from trials.
we all have a lot of respect for bindra for what he has done and i feel he should be the one leading by example and following the prescribed norms. certainly they can be bent a little for him but not totally surpassed.
once again i would like to clarify that neither am i supporting the nrai nor am i condemning bindra. i am only trying and support what i feel is right. maybe all dont agree but thats the way it is.