Every cloud has a Silver lining

[prashantsingh]

There are so many posts criticizing our govt. policies on I.F.G.
So I decided to write one favouring our Sarkaar.

Today I went to reniew my arms licences.
The Renewal Fee (which I have to deposit in the State Bank of India) for my three weapons is as follows.
1. 12 bore double barrel Gun = Rs 60/=
2. .22 rifle (or a rifle of any other bore) = Rs 90/=
3. .32 bore Pistol = Rs 150/=

Total amount = Rs 300 /= for 3 weapons for a period of 3 years.

I think it is peanuts or should I say "quite reasonable".

[Vikram]

I hope your post does not give the GOI and the antis to add a few extra zeroes so that many more can be excluded from owning guns. The government does nothing in return apart from putting a stamp on your license.I think the fee is about right if not anything else.

Also, many small farmers etc, may not be able to afford higher license renewal fees though they need the guns.

Best-
Vikram

[goodboy_mentor]

I think it is peanuts or should I say "quite reasonable".

I disagree, it is quite high for most of the Indians. Government is not doing any kind of favour or service by issuing an arms license. Since arms licenses are not luxuries but necessity of life, are mostly issued for "self protection" which is a corollary to Fundamental Right to Life guaranteed by Constitution, there should be no fees at all. For the same reason, neither should be any customs duty once imports are opened up.

[prashantsingh]

I love your posts goodboy_mentor........and was actually waiting for it here.
If there is an award for the greatest "critic" on I.F.G. it has to be you.
You are our "Champion" against all Govt. "rules and regulations".

-- Mon May 10, 2010 10:00 pm --

But I still feel the Fee is very reasonable.
If a person can not afford this ....he surely can't afford a weapon or the money to bye the ammo. either.

-- Mon May 10, 2010 10:09 pm --

and the Renewal process is not just a "stamp" on the licence.
You first fill up the form. Then get it stamped at the SDM's court.
Then you line up to pay the Fee in the State Bank.
Then you get the application signed by the Thanedar of the police station (where your weapon is registered).
Then you carry your weapon back to the Court compound for verification.
Then they keep your licence for a few days. Update it and give it back to you.

[Tai Ahom]

[goodboy_mentor]

I love your posts goodboy_mentor........and was actually waiting for it here.

Thank you for your comments.

You are our "Champion" against all Govt. "rules and regulations".

Not against all Govt. "rules and regulations" but only against those rules and regulations that violate the Constitution and the fundamental rights guaranteed therein.

If a person can not afford this ....he surely can't afford a weapon or the money to bye the ammo. either.

This is exactly what the Govt. wants the people to think and say. It has cleverly and slowly brainwashed people into thinking like this, by making the price and availability of firearms beyond the reach of common man. The firearms that are available at a fraction of cost are available at extortionate prices in India. If you refer my following post and read the "RESULT" you will be able to understand what I mean: http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... =60#p98364

and the Renewal process is not just a "stamp" on the licence.

For a license holder it is just a "stamp" on license, how does it matter to him if govt. creates a hundred bureaucratic steps? Why should he be made to pay for it?

[winnie_the_pooh]

goodboy_mentor

Which Constitutional/fundamental right do you keep on harping about? There is no such thing in the INDIAN Constitution.As far as the single judge order of the Allahabad High Court,that does indicate that there is a right to an arms license,that part of the order was struck down by a superior bench of the same High Court and therefore has no legal relevance.

Why not state the facts as they are (the truth) rather than as you would like them to be (falsehoods/delusions/misinformation)

Your posts are factually incorrect.Many people reading you would conclude, erroneously,that such a fundamental right(to keep and bear arms) exists when it does not,that denial of an arms license violates such a right(there is none) when it does not.

The truth is that an arms license is considered to be a privilege.You may not like it but that is the TRUTH.

PS-I am sure this is not going to stop you from you haranguing everybody on this.

[goodboy_mentor]

WTP,
First of all let me make clear, this is a gun rights forum, not a government forum to accept, praise, propagate opinions of government and what we all are discussing here are our opinions(with references if needed to further RKBA in India). Nobodies opinions expressed here mean a legal opinion written on stone. It was a "fact" that India was suffering from 200 years of colonial rule, when some Indians opposed it, I am sure there were plenty of Indians having negative opinions, who dismissed the "idea" of freedom as not being a "fact" but a mere illusion/delusion etc .

Which Constitutional/fundamental right do you keep on harping about?

At the very least RIGHT TO LIFE: Corollary to Right to Life is Right to Private/Self Defense as allowed by Sections 96 to 106 IPC. Any act of state that causes life of person to be violated without due process of law is a clear violation of Right to Life. When the state is causing denial, delay and various kinds of hardships that leave the citizen to be defenseless against violent crime causing the violation of life, it is a clear violation of Right to Life guaranteed by Constitution. Citizens right to protect their life and personal liberty is meaningless if they are denied the tools with which to protect themselves. The right to life and liberty is not just about a vegetative existence of life at the complete mercy of whatever protection provided by state machinery only, but includes the right to stay well armed and trained to protect ones life and those of near and dear ones. Lakhs of defenseless mean and women every year are falling victim to violent crimes like murder, rape, kidnapping, dacoity etc. due to the above violation by government, of the Right to Life guaranteed by Constitution. Main thing of concern here is the miserable lack of awareness of this fact by the people of India.
For my opinions(everyone is free to have his or her opinion about the same) about violation of other fundamental rights please refer: http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... =60#p98259

As far as the single judge order of the Allahabad High Court,that does indicate that there is a right to an arms license,that part of the order was struck down by a superior bench of the same High Court and therefore has no legal relevance.

Goodboymentor, a court's judgement cannot be denigrated or questioned in a public forum. I can only be challenged in a superior court. Doing so is considered contempt of court, hence illegal. Post has been edited accordingly - Moderator

Why not state the facts as they are (the truth) rather than as you would like them to be (falsehoods/delusions/misinformation)

Please tell what facts are you talking about ? The "facts" constructed and twisted by corrupt elements in government and anti gun lobby to suit their purpose? Government is not so simple, that it will violate the Constitution and act of parliament in a simple and direct manner so that every citizen can easily understand. Government has violated the fundamental rights in a very clever way so that it is not easily understood by people. Please read and understand my opinions at http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... =60#p98364

Your posts are factually incorrect.Many people reading you would conclude, erroneously,that such a fundamental right(to keep and bear arms) exists when it does not,that denial of an arms license violates such a right(there is none) when it does not.

We all are discussing here are opinions(with references if needed). Nobodies opinions expressed here mean a legal opinion written on stone. It was a "fact" that India was suffering from 200 years of colonial rule, when some Indians opposed it, I am sure there were plenty of people having negative opinions, who dismissed the "idea" of freedom as not being a "fact" but illusion/delusion etc.

The truth is that an arms license is considered to be a privilege.You may not like it but that is the TRUTH.

You are telling nothing new, this is exactly I have been telling, government has very cleverly undermined the rights and "constructed" them as "privilege" which you want to label it as "truth", please read http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 607#p99009

PS-I am sure this is not going to stop you from you haranguing everybody on this.

We all are free to express our opinions. If anyone finds them incorrect, I welcome them to oppose them with proper reasoning, keeping in mind to further RKBA in India. If anyone has better ideas to further RKBA he/she is welcome to come forward with them.

[prashantsingh]

goodboy_mentor wrote:
"Lakhs of defenseless men and women every year are falling victim to violent crimes like murder, rape, kidnapping, dacoity etc. due to the above violation by government, of the Right to Life guaranteed by Constitution. Main thing of concern here is the miserable lack of awareness of this fact by the people of India."

I personally feel that crime is universal . Irrespective of the existing Gun laws in different nation. We hear more of it simply because of our massive population which has now crossed the 1100000000 mark.

[goodboy_mentor]

I personally feel that crime is universal .

No doubt about it, so is the need to defend oneself from crime.

Irrespective of the existing Gun laws in different nation.

A very good research is available at http://gunfacts.info/ Most important, criminals do not commit crime based on availability of legal/illegal firearms, instead they commit crime based on availability of opportunity to commit crime. An unarmed person is much better opportunity for crime instead of an armed person.

We hear more of it simply because of our massive population which has now crossed the 1100000000 mark.

Saying this is of no consolation to victims of crime. Can we say to the victims of violent crime and their near and dear ones, that since India has a population of over 1 Billion, hence government is doing the right thing by infringing on their right for self defense?

[prashantsingh]

Hail to Thee "goodboy_mentor".
Tell me something.
Are you a lawyer?

[goodboy_mentor]

Are you a lawyer?

No I am not a lawyer, I have already mentioned it in my another post at
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... =15#p98507 In my opinion law is nothing but strong logic codified for governing the society. It is my personal feeling that we Indians usually tend to react to issues using our emotional part of mind most of the time, rather than using our logical part of mind. Hence it is no wonder that politicians are able to takes us for a ride most of the time. Moreover out of curiosity about law and to know more about it, I have signed up at http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/ and take part in discussions at their "forum" section and ask questions at "experts" section. Recently I have been discussing about Constitution, Fundamental Rights & RKBA at http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/b ... -17662.asp

[prashantsingh]

...............and finally when I went yesterday to the S.D.M's. court (for verification) with my gun and rifle hanging on either shoulders and the pistol by my side . "Armed to the teeth" by Indian standards. All eyes turned ....as if I were an E.T.
I though I could see the "envy" in the eyes of the Men and "fear" in the eyes of the ladies. Could be my crazy imagination though . Ha ha ha.