School shooting in CT

[xl_target]

Well put Anand.
If the media would stop sensationalizing these killers, we might have fewer of these incidents.

How is it killers like this get all the attention but guys like this guy don't:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-a ... 93571.html

[essdee1972]

My sympathies to the parents of these poor kids. As has been said before, hope God has packed some nice goodies for these poor kids, killed through no fault of their own!

We have a Facebook group for IFG. Can we highlight incidents such as those mentioned by XL_Target above? Even if half of us share it, it will reach a huge audience of antis or fence-sitters.

What do we do do to stop such things from recurring? The easy answer would be "ban all guns" (something many of my friends on other fora and real life are sticking into me now). Easier said than done, of course, but then, the "banners" never seem to understand that!

Psychological profiling has been suggested above. It was my first, gut reaction. Any chap whose pic on his school yearbook says "camera shy" needs to be locked up!!!

But then, on thinking it through, I realised, "when does it stop?". Who will judge the limits when a simple idiosyncracy turns into full-fledged psychopathy? Do we (Indians, Americans, whatever) trust our respective governments enough to give them the right to decide? What if someone crazy enough comes to power? Do we start imprisoning, say, gays, or people who don't want to have kids, or women above 30 / men over 35 who are unmarried? The possibilities of such laws being misused are limitless! Might as well resurrect Hitler, or apartheid!

Having said that, the question, "how do we stop this" still remains! Can the school, faced with a camera-shy loner, inform the authorities, or arrange 3rd party psychological / psychiatric testing? How will this impact privacy laws? In the olden days, when people were friendlier and more connected with their neighbours, someone might have noticed the kid being driven crazy by his (reportedly) tiger mom, and done something sbout it. Today, even if one notices, the tendency would be to look the other way! Can we have periodic inspection of gunowners homes and whether they are following gun safety rules? Who will do it? How do we ensure they are incorruptible? The questions keep coming!

Why, in fact, don't we look at banning tiger moms? If you are not a great success in life, it is not fair of you to demand the same from your kids!! It looks like a lot of this kid's issues came from bad parenting!

[goodboy_mentor]

Yes social and parenting problems are the likely causes but undeniably the "gun free" zones are favorite target of these kind of crimes everywhere in the world because they are soft targets. Never do police stations or military barracks become target for these kind of crimes. Allowing teachers and staff members of schools and so called "gun free" zones to carry guns should be given a serious thought.

[YogiBear]

Israel to America: Wake Up

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/newtown ... 21512.html

Gun Free zones are target rich environments

[BowMan]

I find it a bit of an oversimplification when some members suggest that allowing parents to go in schools armed with fully automatic weapons will deter such an incident from taking place again. God knows if they want to turn schools into battle zones with children studying under the shadows of armed parents. Can kids really have an education, let alone enjoy their childhood in such conditions?

Gun owners can not shy away from their responsibility and they must do some soul searching and try and find answers. Every time a gun is misused some gun owner has not fulfilled his promise to mankind in preventing the gun from falling in evil hands, be it their own progeny. In fact an entire nation must engage in this to identify what has gone wrong with their society to such an extent that such madness can prevail with repeatedness.

I hope Americans do not get trapped in this gun ban vs gun rights debate because this crime is just a manifestation of a disease, the cause of which lies deep down withing the fabric of their society.

[Steve007]

Full auto weapons have been illegal in the US for 75 years or so. No reason for that to change. However, concealed carry is legal in EVERY state though requirements vary(Illinois,the last holdout, now under court order to make it so)and there is no reason selected teachers who feel up to it shoudn't do so after apprpriate and ongoing training,The answer to a nut with a gun is is a mentally-stable trained person with a concealed gun.

I just got back from England a few days ago,by the way. Read the papers, watched the news. It is possible that their crazed leftwing press should not be confused with the brits any more than our press should be confused with Americans. Still, it is indeed wall-to-wall coverage of the noble Obama standing up against the uncultured and primitive gun nuts. Private observations by those with whom I spoke (they brought it up to me) are different. But everyone likes to feel superior and it does seem this is a chance for the british press and liberals at least to feel morally and intellectually superior to we churlish uncivilised (note British spelling) colonials. Just like US libs, when you think about it.

[Sakobav]

Just before Christmas I drove to CT to see a relative who is diagnosed with Cancer and on I 84 I took exist for Sandy Hook. The school was barely 5 minutes from highway but traffic being such I couldnt make it to the firehouse to pay my homage. Did so at the memorial next to the highway and then I saw a funeral go by..it does impact you in a profound way the families who lost their kids and relatives in this mindless massacre avoidable if some one even the immediate family had intervened and take care of a sick person who propagated this...I personally am not a fan of assault weapons with Civvies due to my experiences in Punjab and I stayed away from guns for years... IFG had a role to get me back into the sport

RIP all the angels

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[xl_target]

I hope every one knows by now that there was no AR15 used in this shooting. Yet that is all everyone, including the MSM, is talking about.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/ ... 5#50208495

[xl_target]

I find it a bit of an oversimplification when some members suggest that allowing parents to go in schools armed with fully automatic weapons will deter such an incident from taking place again. God knows if they want to turn schools into battle zones with children studying under the shadows of armed parents. Can kids really have an education, let alone enjoy their childhood in such conditions?

How many parents do you think have fully automatic weapons? FA weapons are highly regulated and are hard to own. A small minority of people in the US own them. The over simplification comes from people believing that everyone in the US can obtain and carry full-auto weapons. Maybe it's just simple mindedness.

As for children studying under armed guards; You really think Israeli kids have horrible educations and a terrible childhood?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/30 ... in-israel/

Gun owners can not shy away from their responsibility and they must do some soul searching and try and find answers. Every time a gun is misused some gun owner has not fulfilled his promise to mankind in preventing the gun from falling in evil hands, be it their own progeny. In fact an entire nation must engage in this to identify what has gone wrong with their society to such an extent that such madness can prevail with repeatedness.

I'm a gun owner so by your reasoning, I'm responsible for the CT shooting. Please don't project your prejudices onto me. Blaming me for what some criminal did doesn't solve anything.
You're an Indian citizen and several of them raped a woman. So the rape in Delhi occurred because you didn't keep your pants zipped up? You realize how asinine that sounds? Don't tell me its different. You didn't keep your iron rods locked up so you are responsible for what some deviants did in Delhi? That does sound like some twisted logic. What are they teaching in Indian schools nowadays?