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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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While petitions can help raise awareness, they don’t always result in immediate, tangible change. To drive significant impact, consider engaging in...
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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webley Air Pistol
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snIPer » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:47 pm
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Hi,
I just visited CITY GUN HOUSE in City Market - Bangalore and noticed that he has an imitation of Webley for sale - going at 1000/-.
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Tried to...
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Sniper,
Webely Imititaions are in a range of 1.5K to 2K . BLANKA (Marksman Copy) are in range of 2 to 2.5K (About a year ago) in Kolkata, not sure...
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Last post by to_saptarshi
Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:18 am
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Import Intricacies
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tarat » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:33 pm
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Hiya !
The following is what I could make out after going through posts on importing airguns. Will someone validate if my understanding is correct...
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Hi Pran, haven't posted in a while but i've been a regular visitor.
Now that i'm back to a springer ie. TX200HC :wink: I'm going to hold off...
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Last post by GasramGandu
Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:02 am
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HW80 - Swap .177 and .22 barrel
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ren_jith » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:45 pm
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Hi folks,
My friend is having HW80 .177, he is planning to get HW80 .22 barrel for the same.
Is the power plant same for HW80 .22 and .177...
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Thanks dev,
Offer looks interesting :D , will be considered when I have a spare HW80. :)
Regards,
Renjith.
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Last post by ren_jith
Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:30 pm
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Right pellets for a RWS54 .177
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Prabhath » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:20 am
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Guys,
Need some suggestions regarding the most suitable pellets for my RWS 54 .177. Looking for pellets on the heavier side. Would Crosman Premier...
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Thanks for the info Shahid
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Last post by Prabhath
Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:12 pm
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Spring for My Air rifle
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Emery » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:49 pm
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Hi,
I would like to know the if there are powerful and reliable springs available in the market.
My gun is a local make.
Emery.
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How much did u get the National Air Rifle from Ahuja Arms Co. at Chandigarh..
AC
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Last post by art_collector
Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:41 pm
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looking for dealer in mumbai
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blitzkereig » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:08 pm
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hi
i would like to know if there are diana dealers in mumbai and what would be the cost of a diana panther professional 31 . any info is greatly...
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thanks everyone for all the info - truly appreciated ,will be looking into it asap.
thanks again.
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Last post by blitzkereig
Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:22 pm
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scope for air-gun
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cyrixoutside » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:12 pm
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hi,
i have gotten the local gun repair fellow to fix a plate on the top of the receiver so that 3/8 mounts can be placed. now i need a scope that...
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hi rajat
please consider few points regarding scopes.
1/ what distance are u shooting at?
2/ some scope such as Lupold etc are ment for 500m +, is...
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Last post by nagarifle
Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:30 pm
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advice.
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marksman » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:51 am
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Hello Guys,
I have been offered one Diana Air Rifle mod. 48/52 in 5.5mm cal. along with a a Bushnell High quality Air Rifle scope (Sportview 4x32)....
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Inder, if that is whom you had in mind, does not own a Bushnell Sportview.
Wokay.
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Last post by Pran
Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:54 pm
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How to set Zero in a air rifle
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Sid_kapur30 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:12 am
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By all the previous posts and all you ought to have known by now i bought an Air rifle
though its a good one smooth trigger, decent power (good...
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Both threads covered a similar enough topic, so have merged them now...
Cheers!
Abhijeet
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Last post by mundaire
Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:25 pm
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AirGun Pistol--Queries(BASICS)
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laku234 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:03 pm
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Hi guys
i have some VERY Basic queries hope i get it cleared...
a) I dont know anything about airguns :oops: ...is there any good websites shedding...
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I just picked up a used CP88 here in Mumbai; pretty expensive but fun. I plan to use it for a short while and then sell it off.
Sorry for being a...
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:36 pm
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venom vantage 77K - pics added..
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sat » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:07 pm
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Some images of a .177 venom hw77K... pics were taken in hurry in poor light.
It took several hours for my brother to clear this from delhi customs....
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hi,
i got a chance to shoot sat's beautiful air gun. its simply fantastic. the trigger pull is just right, and the gun a real joy to shoot.
its...
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Last post by cyrixoutside
Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:26 am
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Where can I get Gamo Hunter Extreme
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Emery » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:34 pm
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Hi all,
Please let me know if Mumbai has a Dealer for Gamo guns. and how much will it cost; approximately?
Bhushistar
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Ya Sanjiv the are doing new design and it will take up about 6 months to come up with new models.
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Last post by kanwal
Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:28 pm
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Just arrived
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archer » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:03 pm
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Hey guys,
Some good news....my pistol which i ordered in july just arrived...... got a letter from the postal custom on friday to submit my...
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Hey guys,
I do know a few fellows...but her reasonin is if she clears this( she calls it a mess) n i misuse it then the axe falls on her (she quoted...
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Last post by archer
Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:10 pm
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suggest from all the Air rifle experts
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Emery » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:22 am
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Hi Guys,
Please help me with buying a New Air rifle.
I want to go for a Imported Air rifle or any Accurate and powerful Indian Make
thanks...
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Airforce guns
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Last post by Emery
Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:13 pm
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Hi guys...
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karandheer78 » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:36 pm
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Hello fellow shooters INC :o have just newly joined the forum & look frwrd to exchange views on air rifle shooting.
Though new in the forum, am not...
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yep...saw the write up done by Mack The Knife...let me read thru it once again...
went on the Diana website but even they do not have these details....
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Last post by karandheer78
Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:10 pm
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New Airgun
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vadapalliraja » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:10 pm
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Hi..............All
i want to purchase HW90 and HW77 could you please any one tell me where i can get
these Airguns in india
Regards
Raja
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Whatever little I know of the HW line... I would suggest the HW 80k for power and the HW77 for accuracy... no clue about their PCP models like HW100...
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Last post by IndianShot
Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:20 pm
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.22 bore air gun vs. .22 bore gun
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rvn_venky » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:44 pm
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Hi all,
What / why is there a difference between
impact (damage) made by air gun with 1000fps and 0.22 bore pellet vs. gun of same bore (and...
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rvn_venky, a .22 air rifle isn`t in the same league power-wise as a .22 cartridge rifle.
Very few .22 air rifles are capable of firing a pellet at...
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Last post by Grumpy
Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:53 am
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Meet the black death
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dev » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:38 pm
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A few days ago while on the Marlin owners forum I came across the Black Death Target created by Coach John Simone of the Top Gun shooting team. Mr....
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Heeear eeet eeees.
Don't say that you weren't warned.
and the practice target:
Ennnjaaay,
Dev
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Last post by dev
Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:55 pm
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got enough airgun
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dev » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:04 pm
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Take a look at the loot this chappie has. Feel like getting adopted by him.
Regards,
Dev
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I still have those tendencies
Where is it, you keep you hw-77k :D
Cheers
Sid
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:57 am
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The King Of Good Times.
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Mack The Knife » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:33 pm
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No, this topic is not about Kingfisher beer though it does play a bit part. :mrgreen:
Ranjeet had come over this afternoon and I had asked him to...
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I need to post pics of the penetration of a HW 90 and the QB 78 on a bar of utensil washing soap (naya rin) . On the face of it they seem to be...
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Last post by dev
Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:43 pm
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Latest addition
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conty1 » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:56 am
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So I bought a Gamo Shadow .177 from some seller in Arizona. Bought it from American Airgun classifieds. Came with a 3-9X32 scope-mounted, a hard case...
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Okay... I am tired of 'sampling' pellets. Anybody got any ideas on what to use for this rifle? I have tried 2 brands and they are both off target. I...
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Last post by conty1
Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:40 pm
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Guns in Bali
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archer » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:54 pm
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Hey guys,
i am heading towards bali in the month of jan...... wanted to know if there r any good arms shops around bali......also wats the situation...
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Hi Parag,
Not sure about the legality of owning airguns in Indonesia, and any specific restrictions that they might have on foreigners possessing...
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Last post by mundaire
Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:32 pm
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IHP .177 or Commander .22
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laku234 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:53 am
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guys,
I had visited the sambandham shop in chennai(a airguns dealer in chennai)
he showed me a model called commander .22 (w.Germany) air pistol...
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yes
one more iam also tyin balloons and shooting at it....!!! :P
This reminds me of the old days of ballon shooting in the mela!!! IT USED TO...
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Last post by diskaon
Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:16 pm
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All about FPS!
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sushila81 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:00 pm
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does a pellet from a 1000 fps airgun goes straighter and accurate than a 650 fps one
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thanx tarat for sharing the info about the softchrono.
cheers sanjiv
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Last post by biking3819
Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:36 pm
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meaning of calibre
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bhuwan » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:37 pm
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HI GUYS!
What does calibre mean and what is the difference between .177 and .22 calibre?
bhuwan
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Yes, you`re right, rifling can also be `cut` using electro-mechanical process however that`s still `cutting`, just using a different technique....
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Last post by Grumpy
Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:46 pm
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my .22
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Sid_kapur30 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:56 am
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After an array of questions, queries and various other things finally got the rifle.
.22 more like the IHP but the trigger is lot smoother and even...
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lol now thats one permanent solution aint it!
just fired around 100 odd sulgs wow i surely am going to have a hard time tomorrow :oops:
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:15 pm
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Pellet traps for target Practice
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ianbom » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:42 pm
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Hi,
Would like to know as to which is the best target trap for indoor (house) target practice.
The pistol used is Blance 0.177.
Awaiting...
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Check out this post on the subject of pellet traps.
Also, am moving this post to the airgun section, in future please DO take the trouble to post...
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Last post by mundaire
Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:37 pm
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Last post by badshah0522
Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:15 pm
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Air Rifle - Fixed Barrel
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kaartz » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:57 pm
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Hi, I am from Bangalore and I would like to buy a fixed barrel air rifle. Please help me where can I buy it in Bangalore and the cost of it,
Thanks...
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Hi, I am from Bangalore and I would like to buy a fixed barrel air rifle. Please help me where can I buy it in Bangalore and the cost of it,
Thanks...
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Last post by mundaire
Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:43 pm
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HW and BSA air-gun owners forum.
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Hunter » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:34 pm
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Hi Folks,
below are the links of clubs for people who own HW/BSA air-rifles!
www.bsaog.co.uk--BSA
www.weihrauchowners.freeforums.org-HW
enjoy!
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Thread moved to the airguns section...
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Last post by mundaire
Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:11 pm
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BREAK / FIXED BARREL AIR RIFLES
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sudhakardm » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:27 am
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Hi all
I am planning to buy Diana 52 or 54 air rifle, which is available here with a local dealer. I want to know which is the better, break barrel...
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Thanks habeebi
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Last post by sudhakardm
Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:49 pm
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sniper air guns..........
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firechameleon » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:20 pm
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hey guys...... i was wondering if guns like the one below r available in india.........
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Dear Shri. firechameleon and narasimhapallavan,
sUR U cn gt gD 81/2R-fl 8 chni. S 4 d Rsft, u hv 2 b hpy wt chiniz 1s s otr stff s 2 xpnsv n 0...
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Last post by firechameleon
Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:05 pm
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Leather & Synthetic Washers for Airguns
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snIPer » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:18 am
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Hi,
I recently got a few leather Cherokee / cheroki washers from Pune.
In the packaging that it came in are the usual -
a leather bucket washer -...
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Just found this article that id saved up earlier - might be useful for those trying to make a synthetic washer (including me).
Make a replacement...
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Last post by snIPer
Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:41 pm
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LPG cylinder for storing compressed air?
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chattron » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:42 am
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Hello guys need some answers.What is the pressure of cooking gas in LPG cylinder?Can the LPG cylinder b used to store compressed air for air gun...
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To be honest, I take a pretty dim view of people mucking around with pressure vessels.
Thread locked!
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:14 pm
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starter pack
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deepinder » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:46 pm
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came across this in the NRA website
shud be read by all who want to become active in shooting for sport
hope u find it usefull
regards
ds
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well for fire arm range
in punjab we do lotsa trap out at our friends farm in t hills, no civilization around
so no legal problems so far :)...
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Last post by hamiclar01
Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:37 pm
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Which air rifle is best for india
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sitar » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:53 am
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Which air rifle is best working and most appropiate for Indian conditions.
i want to disscuss about springers preferably.
i think Diana 55 or Diana...
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sitar, if it was educating laymen about indian air rifles then that should have been the title of your thread. the vague sounding best air rifles...
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Last post by hamiclar01
Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:40 pm
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Duties on Airsoft gun imports??
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nerdspot » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:55 am
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I was going to order a spring M14 airsoft gun from here . Any idea how much the import/ custom duties will be? The gun is $37 and shipping is about...
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Any idea how much the import/ custom duties will be? The gun is $37 and shipping is about $14.
37+14=51$ x 50ish= 2550rs.
from what i surmise,...
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Last post by hamiclar01
Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:36 pm
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Newbie with a Diana .177 Air Revolver
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Suhail » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:00 pm
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Hi Everyone, I was introduced to this site by an article in the Afternoon newspaper ( Mumbai) some time back.
I am an enthusiast and have a .177...
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Around 16k if I remember correctly.
Co2 Extra at rs.100 each
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Last post by Suhail
Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:19 pm
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Hunting with airguns
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Grumpy » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:47 pm
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Air rifles are definitely not suitable for shooting Foxes and are decidedly `iffy` for Hare - a female Hare can be three times the weight of a buck...
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That`s alright Jefe.......none of us was planning on going out with you and your bladder powered toys......................... :lol:
And, as it...
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Last post by Grumpy
Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:21 pm
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Weihrauch HW 45
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rahul567 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:56 pm
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hi friends
how can i procure a Weihrauch HW 45 LP in India
rahul
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the hw 45 is made in germany,and the p1 is the same pistol imported by beeman in the usa from weihrauch ,and so the additional cost,but thats for...
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Last post by biking3819
Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:34 am
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Evanix AR6 Hunting Master?
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sicosidd » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:40 pm
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HI,
Can someone help me with a review on this Air Gun? Planning to buy a .177.
Cheers
Sid
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Check with your fire station (local and/or hq) whether they have the facility to fill SCBA cylinders. If they do and they agree to fill your tank,...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:05 pm
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air pistols
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mismisra » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:21 am
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hi abhijeet i am a regular user of all armed forces guns but i nee to start and hence buy an air pistol( within reach ) what do you recommend.Also i...
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Mismisra
Pl do introduce yourself in the relevant section,it makes it easier going forward.You will find a lot more responses to your queries :)...
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Last post by Risala
Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:13 pm
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Weihrauch HW 75 Excellency
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biking3819 » Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:05 am
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Hello all,
My first day with the hw 75 had gone far ahead of my expectations since the days when i used to use the co2 ihp air pistol in the 10 mts...
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As I recall, the 75 wasn't all that much quieter than the 45. Different sound signatures but both are reasonably loud.
The Gamo Compact is a pretty...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:26 pm
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It feels really nice to be reunited with an old friend again
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Mack The Knife » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:09 pm
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Bought this on 21st July 2003 and then sold her last year but bought her back today. Feels really good and she is still in the same condition as the...
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What a waste! Probably developing a coat of rust as I type. :roll:
Plan on getting anything else in it's place?
Hmmmpfff giggle was toying with...
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Last post by dev
Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:08 pm
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Only one Airgun!
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Hunter » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:23 pm
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Hi All,
If you were own only one airgun,which one would it be and why? :?:
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That works out to 8.4876 grains. I have a friend who used to shoot this through his HW77K. However, when I opened the rifle to install a V-Mach kit,...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:02 pm
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Scope question on HW80
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by shahid » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:18 pm
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Here's a pic of my HW 80 mounted with a Nikko Sterling AO Scope.
I have shimmed the rear ring with 2 layers of photo film 9 negative ) because it...
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THings are working fine now. Scope reset once again, no travel or creep noticed in about 50 rounds fired so far. Not getting enough time with this...
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Last post by shahid
Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:14 am
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Last post by jonahpach
Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:30 pm
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Can a small towner maintain a CO2 or PCP
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sushila81 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:44 pm
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can a pcp be charged handily
can pcp be chrged through tyre tube air filling compressor
can atmospheric air filled in PCP or co2 gun
where can one...
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thanks
but i think i should go with the present one
atleast i scored some brownie points with it, like GG.
but till now we are unsure about the...
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Last post by sushila81
Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:14 pm
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Two Qs regarding caliber and carbine
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sushila81 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:41 pm
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first is
Which one is better caliber for precision target shooting .177 or .22 (strictly between the two) ?
2nd
does a carbine version require more...
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first is
Which one is better caliber for precision target shooting .177 or .22 (strictly between the two) ?
2nd
does a carbine version require more...
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Last post by mundaire
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Airgun hunting site!
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Hunter » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:01 pm
Hi Folks,
Am not too sure if this site has been posted b4.It should keep both springer and Pcp fans interested!
Enjoy....
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Last post by Hunter
Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:01 pm
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