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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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RKBA
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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While petitions can help raise awareness, they don’t always result in immediate, tangible change. To drive significant impact, consider engaging in...
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Last post by Samuel420
Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
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Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:36 pm
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Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:10 pm
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Last post by Josephroy
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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Visiting Chandigarh
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kardar » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:38 am
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Hi guys
I am visiting Chandigarh for a couple of months. I had thought of bringing my IZH46M with me for practice from Toronto but then decided...
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Hi guys
I am visiting Chandigarh for a couple of months. I had thought of bringing my IZH46M with me for practice from Toronto but then decided...
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Last post by browning
Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:23 pm
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Daisy training gun
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snIPer » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:15 pm
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Hi All,
This is a daisy training gun, Been in the family for many years now.
Still works fine.
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All it says is
Daisy Number 960
Old Trusty Training Rifle
and the address below it.
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Last post by snIPer
Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:22 am
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Well done Weihrauch!
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Mack The Knife » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:16 pm
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A little over a month back the circlip holding the underlever catch assembly broke and as a result the underlever could not be locked shut though you...
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Since ol rusters at times writes Shakespeare like english there is a possibility that customer care at weihrauch could have misunderstood what he...
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Last post by sat
Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:11 pm
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Rifle Modification by Novice - ME
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advitiyas » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:33 am
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Hello Frds,
I was just thinking of making a carbine out of my air rifle, my basic idea is explained by these photos. pls suggest me if it is good to...
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Found the following handy article on the Crosman forum on home crowning an airgun barrel -
Quite simple if you follow the steps outlined...
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Last post by mundaire
Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:30 pm
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Marksman 1010c repeater
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LeoDude » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:37 pm
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I just discovered an Air Pistol that I had bought several years back in the US. It is a MARKSMAN 1010c Repeater.
The 1010 can feed bb s through an 18...
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Quality wise this one should win hands down from the pics atleast. The aimco model I've seen is of 'OK' standards.
regards
8)
OUP
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Last post by OverUnderPump
Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:30 pm
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First time Airgun purchase - National 35 .22
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LeoDude » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:54 am
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Hi,
I just joined this forum recently and made my first purchase after that.
I happened to visit Cochin for a personal visit and I visited T. Jacob...
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Hey Leodude, thanks for answers. I am so looking to get my hand on my own National 0.177. I will give that guy a dose of *&%$* tomorrow.
But I am...
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Last post by advitiyas
Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:37 pm
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Req - Availability of under lever air rifle in lucknow
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advitiyas » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:05 pm
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Hello Dear IFGians,
I want to find if there are any senior mems from Lucknow or Kanpur who can pass me any information about buying a good air...
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Nice to hear from u Vivek n that u r from lucknow we may have some interACTION sometime. I went to that shop its Raj Arms Co.. The price quoted for a...
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Last post by vivek009
Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:04 am
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Availability of National Air Rifles(IHP) in Bangalore
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Prabhath » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:13 pm
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Members,
FYI: National Air Rifles in .177 and .22 will be available at Asian Armoury, Bangalore starting 31/1/08. The contact person is Mr. Ayaz....
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Hi,
There is bound to be a price difference between the authorised dealers and other dealers of IHP Products.
Best would be to write to IHP and...
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Last post by mundaire
Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:34 am
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importing a .22
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jimmy » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:06 am
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Dear frieds I am planning to brign a BSA .22 SPRINGER from munich at Delhi .what can I expect from yhe customs? Or can I pass through the green zone...
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If I have the original invoice and am ready to pay the 35% duty should I expect smooth sailing or can they still stop me?
They may still stop you...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:51 pm
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What do you guys think about this one??
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Sid_kapur30 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:31 pm
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was discussing with kanwal how i was in love with the TX 200, so this is what he told me to check out.
the one i fell in love with.
Have mailed...
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Yup, just an old softy.......and so sweet with it !
:wink: :lol:
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Last post by Grumpy
Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:06 pm
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Kid injuring his classmates with an airgun
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Prabhath » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:01 am
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Members,
This was published in The Times of India today:
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i think his dad may have thought that an airgun is purely a toy.....i have seen some people like that.they think that airguns cant kill people but...
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Last post by indian
Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:00 am
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Availability of an authorised airgun dealer address book?
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Silver Flight » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:43 pm
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To the forum readers:
I am possibly to come to India (probably Mumbai) for an extended assignment. I am an avid airgunner, but of late had too much...
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Dear Abhijeet
Many thanks for your reply. Considering the higher level of metal working skills found in the territory, it is strange to find there...
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Last post by Silver Flight
Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:38 pm
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Hegmans Airguns
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Prabhath » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:25 pm
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Guys,
Have a look at these airguns. Seem great. Could not figure out much from what was written ..........it was in German.
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Guys,
Have a look at these airguns. Seem great. Could not figure out much from what was written ..........it was in German.
Hello Prabhath,
To...
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Last post by LeoDude
Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:17 pm
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Need help - Send airgun by domestic courier
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ren_jith » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:59 am
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Hi folks,
Please help me with, what all things to take care while sending airgun by domestic courier.
I am going to do it first time. Information...
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Hi GG,
It is not yet sent. I will update here if I send it.
Regards,
Renjith.
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Last post by ren_jith
Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:33 pm
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miscellleanous airgun queries
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andy_65_in » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:15 am
Hi am ken to acquire through my USA based bro one of the three airguns viz BSA Lonestar,FX Typhoon or Air Arms S 400 EBR in .22 calwhich are the...
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Last post by andy_65_in
Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:15 am
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Arrestor
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Alchi » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:37 pm
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Can somebody explain what is the arrestor or those 2 hole i have on my rifle? Or arrestor block ?
What is the usage of it? Is that important for the...
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hi alchi!
when you post an intro, can you please tell us a bit about hunting in croatia.
cheers!
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Last post by shooter
Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:14 am
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Help: Gun not cocking!
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vivek009 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:00 am
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Dear all,
This morning I realised that my airgun - quest 0.22 - which was working alright till yesterday is not cocking at all. Which means that the...
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Vivek,
If I recall correctly, I only ended up changing the cocking shoe on my '80k.
The link and shoe are supposed to come apart, otherwise you...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:46 pm
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www.jgairguns.biz
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Mo » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:04 am
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Hi Guys!
While in search of repair options for my airgun, the Crosman guys sent me a link to J G Airguns .
They seem pretty good and work at a...
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Alternatively, there is
Formerly known as Chambers Gun Makers.
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:20 am
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CHRONY INFO NEEDED AGAIN
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tarat » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:01 am
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Hiya ,
Am trying to get my docs together to apply for a club membership. In the meantime, I wish to import a F1 chrony from the US. Anyone know of...
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All right. Thanks again.
Regards
RT
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Last post by tarat
Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:07 am
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Does anybody have a GI Mod 65 Air-Rifle?
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Mo » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:52 am
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Hi Guys!
Ending my futile search for a decent Indian Air-Rifle (National) last month, I bought instead, a GI Mod 65 from Aim-Point in Bangalore....
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Dear IFG memebers
The besdt in Indian make air rifles are available with us in INdore from ready stocks.
All G. Smith & Co products are available...
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Last post by bandukbhandar
Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:10 pm
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Need advice on which air-rifle to buy
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advitiyas » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:53 pm
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hello frds, i am a casual shooter, i hav an air rifle. i have been using it since my 10th standard. now i want to buy something good. can u suggest...
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Hi Advityas,
Where are you located ? check with your local gun shops and see what products are available and then check with forum which one is the...
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Last post by kanwal
Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:37 pm
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Can somebody chrono my Air Rifle?
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Mo » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:40 pm
Hi Guys!
Does anybody in Bangalore have a chrono? If you do, would you be kind enough to help me chrono my air-rifle? Its a local one, but I'm sure...
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Last post by Mo
Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:40 pm
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Expert Reviews on the 350 Magnum
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Mo » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:28 pm
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I am not the author of the info given here. I merely found them to be educational and thought it'll be easier to copy paste them her to save on...
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Actually its my fault. I hate fine print and ended up making one of my own! lol. I've added another line at the beginning.. Thanks again..
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Last post by Mo
Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:24 pm
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An airgun site
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Prabhath » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:41 am
Guys, here's the link for the ANA arms site. Looks like a quality airgun. Mack The Knife, your take on it?
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Last post by Prabhath
Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:41 am
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New Member / Help me get started
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Sangha » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
At the outset, let me congratulate the moderators of this site for managing the show so well. Also take this chance to say a collective...
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thanks for the info.
i have a few more questions ( from a person who has no knowledge about air guns. i am based in the uk. are there any other makes...
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Last post by shooter
Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:50 pm
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Something ought to go wrong
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Sid_kapur30 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:11 pm
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Finally got a scope and a scolding (they just wont try to understand). Thanks a lot Nagarifle for a sweet looking scope that is just what i was...
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Congrats guys Sid better luck with replacement gun.
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:40 pm
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Another airgun site
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Prabhath » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:39 pm
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Hi Guys,
Here's the link for an airgun site for airgun enthusiasts. Hope atleast a few will find the site interesting..........
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Check out some antique guns here. Hope you will love them.
www.micksguns.com
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Last post by arbab
Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:44 pm
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Did I tell you that....
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Vikram » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:13 am
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I bought an Airarms TX-200HC Mk3.22 about six month back? Our own Rusty helped me with his expertise to buy this.It tumbled out of the cupboard while...
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this looks awesum man...hope u having a great experience with them.
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Last post by arbab
Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:55 pm
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Peep Sights !!
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arbab » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:30 am
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Hiee Frends,
First of all...what I feel now is that if there is anything I want to know on GUns, bores, rifeles, and anything related to the...
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The so called peep sights that are made in India are utter rubbish.
If you want to use your Airsporter for 10 metre paper bashing then you would...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:03 am
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Targets
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Prabhath » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:55 am
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Found this on the web. Site has around 100+ printable targets. Hope this is of use to the members of the forum.
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Goof up with the earlier post........forgot the link. Sorry.
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Last post by Prabhath
Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:56 am
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Diana mod 35 .22 Not Grouping
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snIPer » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:52 am
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Hi All,
I have a Diana Mod 35 .22
This has previously been tested for around 50 yards and found accurate.
I recently changed the spring to Gsmith...
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Ah Will do - Thanks Rusty
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Last post by snIPer
Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:05 am
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Air guns made in Turky, any one used them ?
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kanwal » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:23 pm
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Hi,
Has any one tried turkish made air guns ? Please share your experiances about it ? I tired to upload some pics, but our site has some problem,...
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Here is the pics of there air guns which they are offering to me :
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Last post by kanwal
Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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DaystateMK3S
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Gary » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:55 pm
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Bought a Daystate MK3s .22 from the US, Mounted a MTC Viper 8-32X60 IRS scope. This rifle is a pleasure to fire and what adds to the versatility are...
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Touch it, feel it and I am convinced many will covet or convert! I highly recommend you go to the website.
Covet is the word! Precioussss ! :lol:...
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Last post by Yaj
Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:01 pm
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Whiscombe Air Rifles
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Prabhath » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:56 pm
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Guys,
Anyone out here got any experience with Whiscombe Air Rifles. Asking out of curiosity. The air rifles look damn well made. Here's the link if...
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By all accounts they are the dogs dangly bits but cost a bomb. John Whiscombe is a real gent and you wont be sorry dealing with him.
Unlike most...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:11 am
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germany....airguns?
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archer » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:02 am
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hey guys,
An uncle of mine is heading to germany...he's been kind enough to get an airgun for me...Where in Germany(munich) can i buy a weihrauch...
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Thanx guys.....will look around.....will u posted
Thanx
Regards
Parag
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Last post by archer
Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:08 pm
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air gun dealership in south africa
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PRITAM PATEL » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:37 am
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Hi, friends,
I m heading to South Africa, on 17th for couple of weeks, while returning , plan to get
good air rifle........
any idea about local...
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Stay off the dark streets and street corners, look up the yellow pages for arms and ammo dealers, be prepared to enter the gun shop through doors...
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Last post by eljefe
Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:31 pm
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webley Air Pistol
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snIPer » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:47 pm
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Hi,
I just visited CITY GUN HOUSE in City Market - Bangalore and noticed that he has an imitation of Webley for sale - going at 1000/-.
/S/
Tried to...
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Sniper,
Webely Imititaions are in a range of 1.5K to 2K . BLANKA (Marksman Copy) are in range of 2 to 2.5K (About a year ago) in Kolkata, not sure...
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Last post by to_saptarshi
Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:18 am
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Import Intricacies
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tarat » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:33 pm
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Hiya !
The following is what I could make out after going through posts on importing airguns. Will someone validate if my understanding is correct...
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Hi Pran, haven't posted in a while but i've been a regular visitor.
Now that i'm back to a springer ie. TX200HC :wink: I'm going to hold off...
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Last post by GasramGandu
Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:02 am
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HW80 - Swap .177 and .22 barrel
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ren_jith » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:45 pm
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Hi folks,
My friend is having HW80 .177, he is planning to get HW80 .22 barrel for the same.
Is the power plant same for HW80 .22 and .177...
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Thanks dev,
Offer looks interesting :D , will be considered when I have a spare HW80. :)
Regards,
Renjith.
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Last post by ren_jith
Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:30 pm
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Right pellets for a RWS54 .177
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Prabhath » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:20 am
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Guys,
Need some suggestions regarding the most suitable pellets for my RWS 54 .177. Looking for pellets on the heavier side. Would Crosman Premier...
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Thanks for the info Shahid
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Last post by Prabhath
Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:12 pm
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Spring for My Air rifle
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Emery » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:49 pm
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Hi,
I would like to know the if there are powerful and reliable springs available in the market.
My gun is a local make.
Emery.
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How much did u get the National Air Rifle from Ahuja Arms Co. at Chandigarh..
AC
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Last post by art_collector
Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:41 pm
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looking for dealer in mumbai
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blitzkereig » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:08 pm
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hi
i would like to know if there are diana dealers in mumbai and what would be the cost of a diana panther professional 31 . any info is greatly...
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thanks everyone for all the info - truly appreciated ,will be looking into it asap.
thanks again.
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Last post by blitzkereig
Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:22 pm
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scope for air-gun
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cyrixoutside » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:12 pm
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hi,
i have gotten the local gun repair fellow to fix a plate on the top of the receiver so that 3/8 mounts can be placed. now i need a scope that...
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hi rajat
please consider few points regarding scopes.
1/ what distance are u shooting at?
2/ some scope such as Lupold etc are ment for 500m +, is...
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Last post by nagarifle
Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:30 pm
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advice.
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marksman » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:51 am
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Hello Guys,
I have been offered one Diana Air Rifle mod. 48/52 in 5.5mm cal. along with a a Bushnell High quality Air Rifle scope (Sportview 4x32)....
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Inder, if that is whom you had in mind, does not own a Bushnell Sportview.
Wokay.
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Last post by Pran
Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:54 pm
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How to set Zero in a air rifle
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Sid_kapur30 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:12 am
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By all the previous posts and all you ought to have known by now i bought an Air rifle
though its a good one smooth trigger, decent power (good...
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Both threads covered a similar enough topic, so have merged them now...
Cheers!
Abhijeet
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Last post by mundaire
Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:25 pm
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AirGun Pistol--Queries(BASICS)
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laku234 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:03 pm
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Hi guys
i have some VERY Basic queries hope i get it cleared...
a) I dont know anything about airguns :oops: ...is there any good websites shedding...
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I just picked up a used CP88 here in Mumbai; pretty expensive but fun. I plan to use it for a short while and then sell it off.
Sorry for being a...
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:36 pm
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venom vantage 77K - pics added..
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sat » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:07 pm
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Some images of a .177 venom hw77K... pics were taken in hurry in poor light.
It took several hours for my brother to clear this from delhi customs....
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hi,
i got a chance to shoot sat's beautiful air gun. its simply fantastic. the trigger pull is just right, and the gun a real joy to shoot.
its...
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Last post by cyrixoutside
Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:26 am
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Where can I get Gamo Hunter Extreme
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Emery » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:34 pm
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Hi all,
Please let me know if Mumbai has a Dealer for Gamo guns. and how much will it cost; approximately?
Bhushistar
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Ya Sanjiv the are doing new design and it will take up about 6 months to come up with new models.
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Last post by kanwal
Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:28 pm
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Just arrived
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archer » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:03 pm
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Hey guys,
Some good news....my pistol which i ordered in july just arrived...... got a letter from the postal custom on friday to submit my...
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Hey guys,
I do know a few fellows...but her reasonin is if she clears this( she calls it a mess) n i misuse it then the axe falls on her (she quoted...
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Last post by archer
Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:10 pm
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suggest from all the Air rifle experts
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Emery » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:22 am
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Hi Guys,
Please help me with buying a New Air rifle.
I want to go for a Imported Air rifle or any Accurate and powerful Indian Make
thanks...
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